so what are the opportunities that some people may not expect, bob? >> i think to some extent, our definitions of careers are outdated. we're still looking for a world where there's sort of a ladder that we move up to, that the next job is clear. instead of having multiple jobs in a career, we're going to have multiple careers in multiple industries over our lifetime. instead of having multiple jobs, we'll have multiple careers and multiple injuries, and the ceo used the term fio jobs. those are figure it out jobs. i don't know exactly what the answer is is what she's saying. they have to have the skills and are open to find new models of ways to figure it out. and that's what is happening at design schools. teaching a different way of thinking about how to adapt to prototyping through ideas as opposed to applying models. >> what do you think? >> absolutely. it's being comfortable with not quite knowing where you're going but watching it as it evolves, as what you're doing evolves. seeing people's reaction, and it iterating it and being very comfortab